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There are a ton of software programs and apps out there...a lot are good, and many are, uh, not. Learn what software and apps the guys are using to add creativity and polish to their images beyond standard Photoshop and Lightroom. Along the way Dan poses the great question of our time: what makes bourbon "bourbon"?. You'll find out how to get to Michael's place via the GAPS (giant animal positioning system -- "turn right after the giant cow"). And Carl runs into a door.
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www.frievaltphotography.com
store.seniorsunlocked.com
Carl Caylor, M. Photog., Cr., ASP-Fellow, Kodak Alaris Mentor, owns Photo Images by Carl in Iron Mountain, Michigan and also runs Carl's Coaching Corner. Learn more at:
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Recorded live from a porta potty outside Lambeau Field. It's a photo a happy hour podcast. Hey and welcome everybody. I'm your photo happy hour bartender Michael Mowbray I'm adding grenadine to top off of photography kitty cocktail of lighting, creativity and business. Joining me behind the bar Dan Frievalt and Carl Caylor.
Dan Frievalt :Hey, what's up everyone? I'm adding some granite into ice cream making a pink squirrel. Ooh, fancy, fancy after dinner drink.
Carl Caylor :Heck with the kids, we don't need kiddie cocktails or that's gonna have whiskey without ice cube plus today. Exactly. That's, I believe that's what we're all drinking, isn't it? I'm having scotch. You're having whiskey. What do you have in Dan? I am having whiskey bourbon Faisal.
Dan Frievalt :What's the difference between whiskey and bourbon? I don't really know that different.
Unknown Speaker :Oh, there is a difference. Please enlighten me on where it's made. I believe Birkin bourbon only be made in Kentucky, Kentucky, I believe so. And then it also has to be out or something else with the two it has to be filtered or how long they aged something, something along the lines of that
Carl Caylor :about the barrels and stuff. And now we got to go on another tour. Yeah, I think we need to do some research. Tim Walden can hook us up. He's he knows the people down there. So
Michael Mowbray :yeah, let's let's do that. Yeah. Give us give us a tour. We can write it off for the podcast.
Dan Frievalt :Hey, I was thinking that same exact thing. Yes, we could do. We could do a podcast.
Michael Mowbray :I like it. During the taste testing part. There's a whiskey place a couple of miles from me here. I'm thinking, Oh, I should go out there. Oh, you guys could come down. We could do a podcast from there. It's called J. Henry. It's like It's like a like a high end kind of crafty distillery whiskey thingy. It's actually pretty good.
Dan Frievalt :I think I went by that one time heading to your place.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. It's the middle of nowhere, that's for sure. A big color
Carl Caylor :we made dinosaur. What was that? What is the pink thing? Okay.
Michael Mowbray :Okay, so So here's how you get to the place. You take the exit by the pink elephant. Okay. And then you take the first right after the giant cow. And then you take a left at the giant chicken. And then you go about three blocks, and that's where you can find me.
Carl Caylor :That chicken scares me.
Dan Frievalt :If you get to the green dinosaur, you went too far. Right, right.
Michael Mowbray :Well, you can you can get gas there. So
Dan Frievalt :anyway, they do feel up.
Michael Mowbray :So if you're joining us for the first time here, the premise of the show is we are three professional photographers who've been around for a little bit. And what we do is we drink and we talk about photography. And the more we drink, the more intelligent we become. So we'll see if you agree. Today, we got a head start. We got a head start today. So we're just freaking intelligent today. So, we also have a topic every week and the topic this week are going to talk about our favorite software and apps. So maybe you can pick up some tips on stuff that we like to use. And if I remember, I'll put it in links. When we post the podcast, I'll put it in links to some of the software we mentioned. So anybody want to go first?
Dan Frievalt :Well, I mean, some of my favorite apps are chicken wings, mozzarella sticks, tonight's call Martian calamari, mushroom, so anything deep fried cheese curds? We're from Wisconsin, so yes.
Michael Mowbray :Hato skins
Unknown Speaker :man some bloomin ones
Unknown Speaker :haha. Yeah,
Michael Mowbray :bloomin onion would be really good right now.
Carl Caylor :ribeye appetizers you know good stone.
Michael Mowbray :I'm kind of wondering maybe I'm gonna call Outback and do a little takeout
Dan Frievalt :Yes, we shouldn't have done this so close to Yeah, cuz I don't have any
Carl Caylor :of those places around me now I'm hungry 100 miles to get to somewhere Do you have a takeout from from Roadhouse? Well
Michael Mowbray :you guys have a dairy queen nearby, don't you?
Carl Caylor :Oh, actually we do have a dairy queen. I'm not sure it's open right now. But
Michael Mowbray :is it seasonal?
Dan Frievalt :It's open two days a year up there but it's
Michael Mowbray :closed down for the winter. In the winter. Favorite software? I don't know. What's your favorite software. for processing images I mean what's Asli Photoshop out of here because everybody uses Photoshop
Carl Caylor :I mean converting from raw.
Michael Mowbray :Yes.
Carl Caylor :Okay. Okay Capture One has become my new favorite. I don't know you I think you guys all use capturing all
Michael Mowbray :right, I think we talked you into using Capture One. So truth be told,
Carl Caylor :I might have been it might have been Yeah, it's been phenomenal you know I was when I was a Canon person, actually, let's step back a step and I was a Kodak person we had to use for what they were pushing us to use their software, and it was all right at the time. And then canon we use digital photo professional, which, if you are a Canon person, that's still a great software for Canon. There's no doubt about it. It is made for Canon by Canon and nothing else is going to come. It's going to compare to it fully. That being said, We have found that Capture One, especially with us changing as Sony has been absolutely incredible. And I have to imagine that it would be incredible for the other Nikon's and Canon people the world as well I assume so
Michael Mowbray :I would tend to think so. It's amazing because I was using Lightroom before when I switched to Sony I didn't really like the files coming through there. So Dan, you might have mentioned it or as Craig stedham or somebody was talking about it, like you know, I'll get to trial and night and day, night and day difference. Just even bringing the raw into it on how it looked. Capture One versus Lightroom way different.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, I think because I was the early adapter to Sony before you guys I was having some color issues. And every all the research I did said Capture One, but I was in the heat of my season so I didn't want to switch and I think Michael us actually pulled the trigger and switched and said, Oh yeah, this is awesome. So I'm like, Okay, I'll, I'll pull the trigger and switch. And it is it's a little bit of learning curve, but there's great video tutorials for free out there. There it is similar to Lightroom once you get used to the menus, but there's a ton more control and and the color and I think Craig is Nikon. He's not Sony. That's Oh,
Michael Mowbray :yeah, he's he's Nikon.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. And he's, he has a lot of great videos on it.
Michael Mowbray :I used to think he was a great guy, but then I found out he shoots Nikon so it doesn't make them a bad person. Oh, come on. It's true. One bad choice does not make you a bad person.
Carl Caylor :And he knows a lot about baseball so he does
Michael Mowbray :better. Now one of the things I like about capture one as well is that you can do layers in Capture One so you're working with your RA and I do a lot of dodging burn in Capture One Because I can do it with my Ron, I can do it on a separate layer. And I can, you can easily paint in and mask on these other layers. I can do skin adjustments on one layer, you can do dodge and burn on another layer. You can do vignetting if you want to do vignetting or a gradient or anything like that. So there's a lot of stuff you can do in Capture One that I prefer to do it there because I'm not doing high volume I'm not trying to process 2000 wedding images you know I'm pulling a handful of images from a session to me it's a lot easier to do it in capture one and then then do the final retouch in Photoshop.
Carl Caylor :You know what though it the conversions are fast. I mean, yeah, mine anyhow, from so if you have, you know, 150 hundred 80, whatever, raw files and do all your little tweaks and you hit batch process go. It's so much faster than when I was used to with my Canon software. I mean, it's I thought that was fast. Everything's faster than that. Yes, yeah. But I mean, even compared to Lightroom, I mean, I just, it's amazing how quick it is. And, of course, that's on a souped up iMac that I got. But as soon as you guys have the same Well,
Michael Mowbray :you guys weren't really doing the kind of weddings I was doing either at least not the volume I when I was using Lightroom for weddings. I actually had a MIDI keyboard and like a MIDI audio board with the sliders and different buttons programmed to different Lightroom things because you know, if I'm going through with a second shooter, there are some weddings, I was going through 3000 images, and I didn't want to be spending a couple of days. I could go through 3000 images call and do adjustments in half a day.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, and we and Miko and I both were big users of the RPG keys. Yeah, until they weren't die. They died and it's sad because they just couldn't keep up with it. Being a third party provider they just couldn't keep up with when Lightroom would come up with a new software they would wouldn't let anyone know when they would change a bunch of things and then it would take them a month or two to figure out that Cody and to go with the new software and especially when things went to the Creative Cloud where things were updating, like, every couple minutes, it seemed it just weren't able to keep up and that was, I still have mine in my box of cords that are sitting in the basement that I'm not gonna throw out because you never know I might need that cat five cable or that?
Michael Mowbray :FireWire. FireWire from a floppy disk from 1989. Yeah, I think I think I have to have the RPG keyboards. I had those. The small one, and then I got the big one too. So that was probably Oh man, don't I I didn't want to think about how much I spent on that stuff. Probably 800 bucks right there. Wow. 500 for one 300 for the other one, I guess that was discounted price.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, but it's great like you could fly through edits and then you could program it to do actions in Photoshop. I mean, but having said that I switched a couple years ago to the Logitech keyboard extended keyboard, it's a gamer keyboard. It doesn't quite work as well in in Capture One I was hoping it would be able to because you can program some micros in there. It kind of works. But it it does work nice in in Photoshop if you have a lot of actions and stuff, which I do. And when I say actions, it's not necessarily effects. It's things that I do over and over again. So I make an action for anything that I do repetitively, which means like when I make my montage is it's like a certain process. I can just hit a button and it does a certain amount of steps. I do something that hit another button, it does a couple more steps. And even just a simple action as far as saying, let's say I retouch an image, I just hit one button, it's it saves that image, closes the file and brings me back to bridge where then I can open up another file, which, you know, when you do a lot of images over and over again, it does save time instead of just hitting command as command W, and then command h to hide. And then I'm back in bridge. It's like I hit one button, and it does all that. So those kinds of things. How do you do that again? It actually goes. Yeah, yeah. Actually, you have to buy my action to get the sound effect though. 1995 you can get my action includes the sound effects
Unknown Speaker :here
Michael Mowbray :can't do that.
Dan Frievalt :It's from it's from rolling your iris from yes I know learning Spanish it's my all my trips to Mexico that's all I've picked up Oh, and
Michael Mowbray :so I can never roll my arms so I always sucked in Spanish I quit taking that you know yet yet I have a daughter who got a who's graduated with a major in Spanish second major in Spanish addition to like public health so yeah I don't know she must have got it from Lisa I was thinking that I was I was holding
Dan Frievalt :back I was being nice today
Michael Mowbray :why why start today?
Dan Frievalt :Why today so yeah capture one I love Capture One as far as Photoshop plugins. I was just doing a one on one mentoring session. And I was pulling up some images and and the person's like, what's that? How'd you get that effect? I'm like, Oh, that's the flood filter and then oh
Michael Mowbray :yeah.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, the flood filter has been around forever I kind of like with any of these plugins or whatever they're they go through phases or two trends maybe. And but the flood filter man, I brought that baby back like I'd never let that die thing and so it's like a 20 or $30 little filter and it it just says a great job especially if you want to do if you're if you don't want to have a have to worry about so much perspective or shadowing on a composite. I just so filter on and boom, it looks good. And I've got a lot of loans and merits using the flood filters. Oh, really?
Michael Mowbray :Oh, yeah.
Carl Caylor :Nice. I can't why mine. Oh, it's appeared on me. I don't know what the heck,
Dan Frievalt :it floated away. I did
Michael Mowbray :some digging and it's loaded. It's actually loaded on the computer I'm using right now. But I bet you it's at least 10 years old.
Unknown Speaker :Oh yeah.
Michael Mowbray :At least 10 years old from flaming hair. Right. Flaming hair. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :So when you go to change operating systems and or versions of Photoshop, I must have lost it along the way. So I gotta go back to like up to dig on some of the old computers and see if it's on the old software's so I can pull it and save it aside or something. You might have to spend
Michael Mowbray :those 2499 again. Can you buy it though?
Dan Frievalt :Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, I bought it not that long ago, again, because again, that's what stinks about this whole, you know, upgrading and everything. It's like, okay, now my enemy we can talk about this too, is like the Nik software, which went from to Google to DSL. It's like every time it first I paid for it, for part of it. And then they gave everything for free. I'm like, Alright, I get out for free. And then Google came out and it was free for everyone. And then Google stopped supporting it. So went the DSL and then now that I'm on Photoshop, 2020 I have to buy it again. Yep. Yeah, yeah. So it's just like, for the longest time I was I was running Then on 2017 because I had everything I needed, I didn't need to up upgrade. And then whenever you upgrade, it's like oh, now my driver software for the tablet wake up tablet isn't working, which, again, that could be somewhat of an app. In a sense, I think it's an essential tool using a tablet. I agree. And, and, and the hardest thing is a lot of people, Hey, I just posted this in seniors a lot a couple weeks ago. It's like, Hey, I have these videos and set it up. And you always get all these comments like, yeah, I have mine sitting in a box for two years. I have it
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. Buy it and then they don't use it. And it's one of those things, you just have to set the mouse aside and just force yourself to use it for a couple of days. And after that, it's I couldn't imagine using a mouse to retouch can't stand even males for anything at all I was I will still have a mouse there and I'll use it for all my menu stuff. And I like it because it just change I get to move my arm in different ways and change my grip and stuff, you know, but yeah, exactly, yeah, do the same thing.
Dan Frievalt :But I have the tablet or the pen in one hand when I'm retouching but when I navigate I grabbed the mouse and navigate because the double click with the pen and navigating, I'll move a folder. I'm like, What? Where did that just go? So, I think what a lot of people do is we, you know, in, in the industry, we say you got to use a tablet got to use a tablet. So people go 100% tablet, and I tell them and like some training videos, and I'll put a link in here to for the free videos and on the training, but it's like, no, I use the tablet, but then I navigate, I still use the mouse. But like Michael said, What when I had employees, I would take the mouse away from them and throw it in a drawer. I'm like, you have two days you have to force yourself and I had to do that to myself too. It's it's almost like learning to write left handed if you're right handed. You know it takes a while it's it's cumbersome, but once you get used to it, you know Like if I'm teaching or whatever I mean, like, Oh my gosh, I, I gotta have a tablet, you know? Or you know, so it's like I always, yeah, especially with the retouching, it's just you can move so much faster with it.
Michael Mowbray :I want to say it was Darren who said this or it was Darren who did this, but who said, not using a Wakeham and using your mouse is kind of like painting with a potato. You know what? darton used to use a mouse. That's what it was. That was
Dan Frievalt :I have heard that potato or a rock thing before? Yeah, yeah.
Carl Caylor :That might have been woody tubes. I think woody was using the mouse forever.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, I think he was true, Richard, like,
Michael Mowbray :I think he slapped him. I think he actually slapped him. I want to believe that he actually slapped him. Because I remember
Carl Caylor :I remember when he was at Wisconsin one year, and he was up on stage showing us you know, clipping paths and stuff like that, you know, extracting somebody in Richard was at Wisconsin. He was standing back in the back of the room with me and he's like, How the hell How's he doing this with as stupid as most? I mean? I mean, I could be wrong, but now a while ago, but I'm thinking that was it was. I think I remember that year too. Yeah.
Michael Mowbray :Wasn't that wasn't that long ago was it?
Dan Frievalt :Oh, yeah, it was a lot. It was using clip your TAs. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :Yeah. I mean, it's probably 810 years ago. And at this point,
Michael Mowbray :Really? Wow. Yeah. That's when we're getting old. Dude, you did.
Dan Frievalt :That was your convention, Carl, when I was out when it was when it was at the Radisson in Green Bay or
Unknown Speaker :what it was there because
Carl Caylor :no, I Oh, might have been my convention, but not not the rose convention. Sure. Yeah. I think you're right. I think that was in 2001. Yeah, no, you know what? I remember. I don't remember what it wasn't that long ago. Oh, I'm gonna go look at the plaque. I'll be right back.
Dan Frievalt :You just want to get another drink.
Michael Mowbray :When we're talking about flaming paren flood made me think of another old software that's been around for a long time that I think is really good. Is alien alien skin exposure. Exposure exposure x and I just actually upgraded to x five. It's pretty cool. What is for? I will edit out that door clock. Now we'll leave it at what the hell
Carl Caylor :are almost took me out there? I saw that thousand nine 2010
Michael Mowbray :Okay, well, maybe 11 years ago, February of 2010. Holy Wow. That's crazy. But anyway, we're talking about Thank you. Thank you for joining us. We're talking about alien skin exposure x. And I don't I don't do use that.
Dan Frievalt :I do. I got a version of alien skin and it is. It is pretty cool. It has a lot of features in it. I should look at the upgrade but yeah, it's pretty cool.
Michael Mowbray :One of the things I noticed with the upgrade because I've been using regular x for I don't know, three, four years. Is that now you have masking? Yeah, yeah. masking What? conda forever. No, but you can mask within it too. So I did a I don't know if you guys saw the black and whites I posted the other day from a beauty session. And you know, they have a lot of different black and white film emulations. So and you know, so you can go back and pretty damn close to what I remember if you're shooting, you know, Ilford or if you're shooting t max or whatever else, they look pretty damn close. And then where I saw some blacks plugging up, I could go in on a layer mask within exposure x, and just pay a little bit more exposure in and it looks, it looks really good. It was nice. I like being able to do that stuff within the actual software within the app, rather than pulling it back into Photoshop and then doing all that other stuff. But if you'd like film emulation, there's a lot of cross processing a lot of different processing looks some old faces. vintage looks. There's things that you can mix together I think exposure x five is, is pretty cool. And then they include blow up with it. There's like a bundle that includes blow up. So if you ever need to take a file size way big and then let's see other ones stamp art, which I've never found much use for But hey, you know, it's included for free for like $9 for an upgrade i think is what it cost me.
Carl Caylor :Let's let's go back to Nick for a minute.
Michael Mowbray :Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Cuz silver effects and surveys and all that stuff. Well,
Carl Caylor :yeah, I mean, I was. I don't know you guys probably don't remember this. But I was part of the NIC pro team. Yeah, I remember that.
Michael Mowbray :Way back in the day. Do you have a plug for that too? Do you want to go back and check that actually do actually
Carl Caylor :it was it was a it was a great software. I mean, it still is, I mean, it was so so happy that dx o picked it up. And lets us continue especially for the black and white. The spillover effects is absolutely wonderful. But also Like you mentioned with the films, if you want to make it look more like films, they Nick has same effects too. I mean, you can go through and make something like triax or Timex 3200, or whatever you want, you know, the Alford's, the egg was the all of it is in there. And you can cross process and it's, you know, whatever, wherever your mind wants to take you, but a lot of it is kind of weird. And it's like, not a lot of practical use to it's fun. But there's a lot of practical use, but the silver effects absolutely practical, practical. Yeah. And my favorite in the color effects is the Indian summer. Because up here by us, you know, we have great fall colors, but we have a very short fall season where it's not snowing or blowing the people all over the place and when everybody wants fall colors and so we can change all the greenery. So by the end of June, I can start doing Fall pictures because of summer. Any summer in Indiana so it's great No.
Dan Frievalt :So Dairy Queen, Dairy Queen closes on the seventh and Carl starts this fall for
Michael Mowbray :Michelle shoot.
Unknown Speaker :Welcome to the EPA.
Michael Mowbray :I totally agree I've used Indian summer for we've got a big 30 by 40 canvas of our family that we shot before fall colors for peak because you know you're a photographer, you're working during fall colors, you don't have time to shoot your own stuff. So we shot a little early and used Indian summer to convert the leaves over and what it does is does take those screens and you can control what level of orange or yellow or whatever they they turn into. And reds and it looks great. I mean, you know holds up to a 30 by 40. That's my standard. That looks pretty good. Looks really good. The thing is, is that like any action or plugin or a fact
Carl Caylor :use it customly I mean, don't just use the box and press a button and and say, Oh, it's good or it's bad. It's doesn't work. I'll use different layers like you know, Mike was talking about layers in Capture One before in dx. So I'll run several layers of onion summer, a red layer and orange layer, yellow layer, and then like stack them in Photoshop and paint it back where you want so it looks more like fall. Because pressing the button once. Yeah, makes everything colorful. But it's all the same color filaments not including the pine trees. Yeah. The grass. grass, I'd say walking on rye grass and yeah,
Dan Frievalt :in the green shirt the grandma had.
Carl Caylor :So you know, you gotta use a little common sense with these filters. And I kind of seen the same thing with you know, one of my biggest pet peeves is the next plugin that I probably want to address is portraiture or Like your alien skin, things like that when we're doing the skin softening, please, for the love of all things in focus, don't make plastic skin gel, no killing. Yeah, they can only use it on a new layer and paint it back where you need it or in small capacity so that it does the job without getting porcelain dollish. That's our new term of the day.
Michael Mowbray :On that note, I'm going to recommend or at least something I use, it's going to be controversial. And I know I've talked to you guys about this before. Yeah, it's portrait professional or portrait Pro, which, you know, if you just let it do its thing, it's absolutely horribly scary. But what it does, is it maps out uses facial facial recognition software and maps out the face, and you can go in and do some really high level. I wish you guys can see video right now. These guys are distorting their faces. It does. You could reach Going through the face. You can do skin softening. You have to what I the the caveat I put in there with it you have to go in and really reset everything you can't let it go default. Although the newest version the default isn't horrible back in the early day when this thing started, you hit it and somebody would come back and it'd be an entirely different person. It would be
Dan Frievalt :scary, scary looking. You can turn that you know the facial, the sculpting off a sculptor and off.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, exactly.
Carl Caylor :And he was in the nose and the lips, right
Michael Mowbray :what I what I use, when I use a force, I actually will go through all those different controls and reset them and then I'll save presets for them but I use it when I want what I call commercial retouch or more commercial look. So for the stuff I'm doing for mo light or the stuff I'm doing for beauty and things like that and sometimes for headshots as well. I think it works really well because if you need a little extra makeup on Somebody if you can do that he needle you need to go in and contour a little bit. You can do that and you don't get that in some of the other. You don't get that in some the other software
Dan Frievalt :sorry I bumped the mic here. I'm bleeding. I'm bleeding
Unknown Speaker :belt man use your belt.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, yeah Michael you brought up a good point either in, in portrait professional or in alien skin and even in the Nikkor dx Oh software. What I love to do is I'll create recipes and you can save them so you can you can take a multitude of different effects and create your own look or your own style. Instead of just maybe hitting a an action or preset that kind of looks like everyone else you can you can save them and create different kind of presets that have somewhat your own flair. Exactly without having to do like a bunch of layers and curves and levels and all these things in Photoshop, which you could also get but they just make it a lot easier.
Carl Caylor :Speaking of flares freeball flares thing that we use
Dan Frievalt :is a plugin.
Unknown Speaker :All right, wow. Yeah, no,
Dan Frievalt :I got a deal for you.
Carl Caylor :No, no those those are fun. But the thing is, it's just like anything else. And that's the beauty of like your flares and your cloths your fabrics since they find fabrics. So they say, right, yeah, sure, is that and the same thing we're just starting to say with Nick and the portraiture is that don't do it by a press of a button. You know, find out your recipes and your the things that you like for you because otherwise your images are gonna look like everybody else's and then what's the point? You know, you want to be Custom quote unquote so but that's the cool thing about your flair is that he put it in there and you bend it around and you make your own thing out of it with what you had to start with. So you got a base, but you can work with it. That's I think that's a really cool part about those, your actual your flares and your fabrics and stuff.
Michael Mowbray :I'm gonna guess down that maybe just possibly, and correct me if I'm wrong. You might have videos that show how to do that with your flares and your fabric and stuff like that.
Dan Frievalt :I do that is the beauty of just my, my overlays, as I also include videos and show you how to use them. But along those same lines is I could have made actions that would have a similar effect and different things that would be easier. And there are things out there that are like that, that it's like a press of a button and easy but like what you said Carl, I didn't want to do that because I don't want everyone to look the same everything. I look the same. I'm hitting something and it's other, I just think then this Instagram filter, you know, I want to teach you and use some of your own creativity, it's okay to emulate what I do, I don't have a problem. I don't care if you copy it completely, because I feel like learning it and starting to copy. That's how we learn. And then what's going to happen is you're going to start to develop your own style. Once you learn, you have to learn first and then you can veer off into your own direction. But I don't want to just like have a one button thing I want to give you are a bunch of different overlays and say, Okay, how would you apply this and I'm going to show how I apply it. And you can do something similar but then now take it to the next level. It's kind of like, you know, how Xeo was saying like, feed a man a fish he'll eat for a day. teach him how to fish he'll eat for a lifetime. They say Oh,
Michael Mowbray :or moved to Wisconsin and just get fish fry.
Carl Caylor :Now what going to Dave's boat, man. We got to do that yet. Oh, I see you guys More Wally again, and I look good.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, but you can eat those walleye that you hear on. The PCBs are in them from the
Unknown Speaker :mouth.
Carl Caylor :It's more it's easier. It's more what's much more easier to catch them though, because you can see them they're kind of like glowing as a cylinder. Yeah.
Dan Frievalt :There's one.
Michael Mowbray :Big spearfishing a little easier when you can, like 20 feet below the surface.
Carl Caylor :Yeah, there's warming or the hot water or the cool water intakes and outtakes from the factories down there. Go in and out of the river. My brother used to be a diver and he used to inspect some of those pipes. In fact, he crawled through some of those pipes before and that's scary. Yeah. And he said you wouldn't believe the size of some of the fish that hang out right in the end of that pipe because you're a little fish gets all warm water coming out. So Oh yeah, the fish like it there and and what are we talking about again?
Michael Mowbray :I think we're talking about fish normally. Radiation I don't know.
Dan Frievalt :Um, there's about a certain plugin bobber that you use when you try
Unknown Speaker :to fish on Yeah,
Dan Frievalt :that's the one.
Michael Mowbray :here's here's an interesting software set alight 3d. Did you guys ever pick that up?
Carl Caylor :I did not
Dan Frievalt :know I almost did when I was doing my videos for for the SU insiders.
Unknown Speaker :Oh yeah. Yeah,
Dan Frievalt :no, it looks cool.
Michael Mowbray :I ended up picking it up and let me tell you what it is satellite 3d is a software that you can. It's basically 3d modeling software that you can go in and choose the light source that you have, whether what kind of what kind of strobe or what kind of led it is and what kind of modifier you know whether it's a reflector or it's a 48 inch octave box or a V flat or whatever. And then you move that you can move These back and forth and it changes the lighting on your model. And it's got all these different kinds of models and different poses. So you can pre visualize what your lighting setup would be. You can change all the lights and see what gel would look like. And it does a really good job. One of the things that was one of the reasons why I picked it up, one of the things I thought was really cool with it, is when I came out with my mo jacker, which is basically a Light Blaster if anybody's ever used a Light Blaster, it's a it's a little device that you can put a speed light in, you drop in a 35 millimeter slide, you put a lens on one side, and you can project images on the background. And you want to see what that's gonna look like ahead of time. I can drop all my different modes, vector backgrounds into the software. And it's got this built in, it'll show what it looks like on the background. It's actually really cool. It wasn't I don't remember being them expensive, although I know
Carl Caylor :it's not too bad.
Michael Mowbray :I buy a lot of stuff as long as it's under 150 bucks. Throw we'll just yeah, we'll try that.
Dan Frievalt :Which, which, by the way, we're not sponsored by any of these companies. Is that correct that right? mentioned? Oh, and I mean, my flavors of course are mine. But
Carl Caylor :yeah, I'm weird anymore. I mean, dx. Oh, no.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. Yeah, we're not. We're not getting a piece of any of this business. Dammit, I
Dan Frievalt :but if you're listening and you want to throw some stuff away, I'm not gonna turn you away.
Michael Mowbray :We're gonna set up a Venmo account. Photo happy hour at Venmo.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, but you know, let's, let's let's address that real quickly because me personally, at least, I don't endorse any product. Unless I use it. I actually use it. And there's times when people offer me things for free. And I'll I'll test it out. But I will not just take anything and promote it because I want to Be a person that uses it First of all, and a lot of times I'll use things, you know, lights or software's or plugins first and then maybe later, someone were will give me a referral code and even that, like the referral code might just be so they can track. It's not like I'm getting a kickback. So, I guess what I'm saying is sometimes when you hear certain people in the industry tout a certain product or whatever, should we name names?
Unknown Speaker :No, no, no.
Unknown Speaker :They're just,
Dan Frievalt :yeah. Yeah. Or just kind of like, are they really that excited about it? Or are they that excited because they got it for free. Like, here's a bunch of stuff. So talk about it because you're an influencer in the community in s3. I know we're very, not that type of people. Not
Michael Mowbray :at all. No, no, not even. I carry that through. Even on this stuff. I carry a mo light turning into an ad for MoLight. But no, seriously everything I carry for MoLight I get in samples, first from my different manufacturers from Godox, or Golden Eagle, or the folks who make my softboxes. And I test them. And then once I test them, and if I like them, and it's something I feel I would use, or other professionals would see value in, I carry it otherwise I don't I've rejected a lot of products. Godox yells at me because they're like, why don't you carry any of the Godox SOP boxes? And I finally said, because I don't like your softboxes like, what what how do you not like our softboxes is like well, because I found other manufacturers who do it better, and yours didn't meet my standards. So and that's so everything that's in the MoLight store is stuff I either actually use or will use or have used and it meets my standard.
Carl Caylor :Well, that's that, you know, those of you that have had my class before works stops, whatever you kind of know. I tell things that I use as well. I'm going to talk about how I use them, why I use them, the good and the bad. So I don't hold back. I mean, if there's something I don't like about something, even if it's something I use and like, there's, there's always things that aren't perfect in everything that we have and the products of use and the software that we use, and and that's okay to talk with that too, because maybe we're finding ways around workarounds and things like that, that could help people out. So if it's something that's not the best for a manufacturer, am I still going to talk about it? Yeah, because let's address it. Let's let's make a pro out of it instead of having it be a negative, so that makes sense. All negative, huh?
Dan Frievalt :Sure. Sure. Yeah, we'll go with
Michael Mowbray :Yes, to drink. Cheers. Actually on that let's just take a real quick break and we'll be right back after this.
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Michael Mowbray :and we're back. So we're talking about our favorite software and apps things that we use some things are pretty common some things that aren't Carl, I think you're going to bring up something I think we all use.
Carl Caylor :I'll bring up a fun one. I use Fundy it's a software to design albums and books and amongst other things I know they have Izzy's is going to watch Michael fall over back Greetings Jerry there, but I wish you guys could have seen that but anyway fundies a great a great time saver for those of us that so album is to our, our high school seniors. And it's just it's so simple. I mean, I don't know about you guys. I can I can have an album designed in 810 minutes or less.
Michael Mowbray :Five. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :Yeah. But I mean, I just sorted through, make sure everything's right and every size up and then put backgrounds on and all that kind of good stuff. But
Unknown Speaker :it's so cool. You get fancy with it. I do. Like auto design.
Unknown Speaker :They have auto design. Yeah, looks
Michael Mowbray :pretty good. How about this one done.
Dan Frievalt :I told Andrew and imaging that your software is so great to design albums. It almost has me willing to shoot weddings again. I know he's like, wow. Like Yeah, cuz he could design he could design a wedding album with auto design in like seconds. And it looks beautiful.
Carl Caylor :Don't tell my last I did that to seniors I spent more honestly goes I spent more time with my senior albums than I did on that wedding album.
Michael Mowbray :Sure. Throw them in there. There's no there's nothing wrong with that because for you know for me who I've done hundreds and hundreds of weddings and you know I used to have to hand design when I first started and then I got the software from your font.
Unknown Speaker :Yes, I use a web page
Carl Caylor :gallery page gallery,
Michael Mowbray :which was which was pretty good. You use f quite a bit and then I try to remember what I did after that I did something else after that and then started using Fundy. Yeah, I never did. I always did them. And Fundy and especially the current version of Fundy though, the auto design and then be able to go through and just kind of click you can keep recycling and try different things and different things. It's like us perfect. You And get I think you can get a wedding album, at least 80% done just on auto design. And then you'd have to go in and just reshuffle things like, well, that shouldn't be the big image. You know why they're showing a big image of the shoes and it needs to be the big image of, you know, the bride putting the dress on whatever. But oh my gosh, it took something that used to take half a day when I was doing it by hand a day. And you could do it in less than an hour easily. Yeah, easily.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, I was gonna say, and don't quote me on this. But I think if you go in and like do like a heart, take certain images with the heart. Those images will be your, like, larger images. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I don't know this. Is that true, Carl, do you do that? Okay. I've done that. And I'm, yeah, and I don't do the auto design with the senior because I only have 30 to 40 images. But if I grabbed three images and slide them into that page, if if I have an image that has the heart symbol on it, that will be the the wall image, the highlight image, yeah. And then you can scroll through the different ones on that page. And then you go to the next page next, kind of follow them. So when I pull all the images in, I'll go through and be like, Oh, these are my favorites, these 10 and I'll do the, the heart on them.
Michael Mowbray :You know, we should do just as an aside here, I'll actually I'll do this I'll shoot Fundy a message. He'll probably give us a discount code for so my Yeah. Should I actually?
Dan Frievalt :Oh, yeah, boy.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, just just post that.
Dan Frievalt :And again, it's one of those things that I talked to Andrew and said, I love your software. You know, I don't get a kickback from doing a discount code. I'm just like, hey, I want to help support you. You're a small business, your you know, you know, same thing with my photo app, which we didn't talk about yet, but Yeah, or like photo Bez, there's a lot of these companies that it doesn't matter if you're an influencer or not. Or if everyone gets a discount code to help, you know, it's called viral marketing. It's, you know, it's like if you use my code, you get like, say, a month free or $25 off your membership or whatever. A lot of companies are now doing that, where if you help promote them, if you believe in them, they're going to give you some kind of kickback. It doesn't matter who you are, because your strengthen numbers is what you know, they're helping, you're helping marketing them. It's grassroots guerilla marketing.
Michael Mowbray :It's building your tribe. Darren, right. And we've talked about that, we'll probably talk about that again. And a podcast is you know, building a tribe. So people who are not only customers, but our fans and fans are the people who are going to cheerlead for you and they're going to go out and tell everybody else about that. And that's kind of what we're doing here today is we're cheerleading for software that we We use that we believe in, that has shown value has made us money far more than what we invested into the software and funding is one of those things,
Carl Caylor :you know, just another little fun thing with Fundy. Again, like we mentioned, anything that I use, we don't use it exactly the way that they are intending for you. Yeah. And Fundy allows me to, you can go in and you can make a custom size album or custom size pages. So I'll make a custom size page for my proof boards. And it's one of the products I that I sell here. For those that don't want to go with an album design. They want to keep things a little bit economical or whatever. So they'll pick eight or 11 images, or 11 images and it goes on a 12 by 24 board. So I'll set up 12 by 24 page, throw their images on there and it produces a board for me now. White House printed tober 24 it's melted. It's delivered and it takes seconds with with Fundy. I've actually used them for my display boards in my, my gallery. I mean big ones. I mean, I dumped like 150 images on a Wow, it's 75 by 44 or two of them to make the cover like glass in my gallery down at the mall. And Andrew all he had to do he had to click to an override for me because it was too large. But you know, it worked. And once you don't do it,
Dan Frievalt :yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that's the beauty of having a small business guy like Andrew where you can I can send him a message and he's like, yeah, I'll do that, you know, or Yeah, that kind of customize things. Yeah, I've used that to Carl for like handouts. You know, when I do speaking engagements, it's you know, you can pop a bunch of images in there. Do all different sizes. It's originally set up for either a print or you for blogging, you know, and you know, that's one thing I want to get back into. And then we'll get on a tangent here but more blogs, you know, blogging and blog posts or SEO. We talked about that last week a little bit SEO.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. Forever.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah. So allows you to create these really cool blog images or these images with multiple images that you can put on your blog. So people can't just steal an image either. It's it's a canvas with with different images. Yeah, exactly. And I've used that same software to create handouts when I speak because it's got these cool different sizes of images, you know, or you can do it for direct mail. You know, if you want to do a postcard ease, plug in the size, boom, boom, boom. To do that in Photoshop would take me like a few hours and I can do it in seconds.
Michael Mowbray :You can also do for people who are doing seniors aren't really actually any other portraiture. You can do many magazines. So that's one of the things I'm actually going to work on this coming week. And this is the way I work because I finally got a senior booking the other was it this morning or yesterday I had somebody call like, oh, wow, really? Okay, I guess it's senior season now I guess I should do my, my magazine and my pricing in my update because somebody actually contacted me. I do. I do that every year. Here's, Oh, do that in January, I'll be way ahead of the games like, I wait till somebody contacts me so but yeah, I'm gonna be working on my senior magazine and updating my website and probably will do use Fundy for some of those kind of collages kind of quick kind of things. So there's a lot of other features with that, that I don't know that everybody even uses.
Unknown Speaker :And
Michael Mowbray :they've got and they've got a feature in there or a part of the software that I think you have to invest in, that you can use it for in person selling. So if you want to show gallery and have people pick stuff and then you want to show it on the wall, like a simulation of this image on the wall their home, you can do that with funding. So there's a lot of different things that it can do. So I like I like software that can do a lot more than one thing. Yeah, there's nice I have a little, little unique software that can do you unique little things. But it's nice to have something that can do a lot of different things. So you can get the true value out of it. And image grander.
Dan Frievalt :If you just want to have a logo on your image or have it cropped to square with, you know, image on the outside with the logo. If you want to do Instagram, like you just I'll do all my my images I put on my on my photo app. I'll just drag them all in there. And they're the same images that I'm using for the album. So they're in there anyways, which is kind of nice. And then I just just click one button and it shows my logo in the corner of every image and I export that out and that's what I put into my photo app.
Michael Mowbray :Which, which you should talk about next. We should talk about next.
Dan Frievalt :Yes. And one thing I wanted to mention, which I wrote down here, so I wouldn't forget is a lot of these software's and plugins are like having another employee. And you know, Michael, you kind of reminded me of this. It's like things that we we like or it saves us time. Well, I used to have employees and stuff in and now there's a lot of software that helps us do these things much faster, which we can, you know, eliminate having to have an employee especially for me, personally, I'm seasonal, so it was always hard to always have someone on full time year round. Sure, in the summer, we have tons of work to do. And then also in the winter, it's like I don't have as much for them to do so. Having, you know, software that can help with this to design albums that someone something in play would normally do. portraiture, retouching or outsourcing retouching or you know, all these different things can help us be more efficient which could eliminate an employee
Michael Mowbray :That sounds a little heartless
Dan Frievalt :very heartless I was thinking that that's why China say like what season? Oh, like
Michael Mowbray :trying to justify it. Yes. Robots can do this job.
Unknown Speaker :Anyway. Good New Year job,
Michael Mowbray :although we have we literally have joked about, man, wouldn't it be great if we could get a drone that could just follow a senior around and take their photos and we could just sit back at the office and just kind of control it? Yes,
Dan Frievalt :yes. And by the way, I filled up my my glass when we took a break. It's empty again. But it says bourbon whiskey. So no wonder why I was confused. It said it was bourbon whiskey. bourbon whiskey. Wow. Come on.
Michael Mowbray :But kind of bourbon whiskey was that
Dan Frievalt :basil Hayden's bourbon whiskey.
Michael Mowbray :Oh, I've heard of that. But I'm not a I'm not a bourbon guy. I move. We've talked about this before. I'm a scotch guy and it's a different flavor than Whole flavor tasty thing.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah. Cuz you, you go from you go from bourbon whiskey to having good taste to scotch tasting like band aids or ambus all or something
Michael Mowbray :I like I like a good scotch where you know it feels like you've licked the you've licked the ground of Scotland and then you bring the Nick kista cow.
Unknown Speaker :So my
Unknown Speaker :iPhoto app, take it away, Carl.
Unknown Speaker :Oh, I don't, I don't use
Michael Mowbray :you use it more than either of us.
Dan Frievalt :I was early adapter of my photo app. I was like so gung ho when it came out, and that was, had to be like, at least eight years ago, and it's still so popular. In fact, last night, I got an Instagram message from a senior that said I I love this image. I have it in mind. album, but I don't have it in my app, would you add it for me? I'm like, absolutely. I'll add it for you. Generally, there's different tiers where they get more images. But I'm like, Oh, absolutely at it, because she's doing a testimonial for me, in fact, as well. So it's like, heck, yeah, I'll do it. And but my photo app is great. It's easy to use. It's the kids love it. Because they're sharing images on their phone, you can download images, put it on Instagram, and I'm going to be very clear about this is that they don't get this app just for free. It's something that's an incentive item they have to invest at least 20 $500. With with me, for instance, because yes, they can download the images. Yes, they could even screenshot the images if you have it set up not to download. But there's so many things you can do with it. I even set up for my Instagram, like a like a homepage. So for instance, Instagram when you go to The profile, you can only have one link. So let's say you forget to change that link or let's say you just have a to your website. But let's say you want to customize it, which I have. So instead of just having a link that goes to my website, I have it that has either the special I'm running or to seniors unlocked. So different things. So when you go
Michael Mowbray :to like a landing page you're using,
Dan Frievalt :exactly Yeah.
Michael Mowbray :Good idea. You're Yeah, you're you're pretty. You're smarter than your look.
Unknown Speaker :Sometimes,
Carl Caylor :people.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah. So if you if you click on on my profile link, it's going to take you to a landing page that has, I'm trying to do it. Now. Of course, we can.
Michael Mowbray :I've seen, I've seen I've seen the one that you use. And it's basically your price guide. You know, and you build that in my photo app. And maybe maybe we need to take a step back so people understand what we're talking about my photo app and there's another one called sticky albums. Which I started with. And I switched to my photo app because I think it's got a lot more features to it. It's basically an app that your customers can download on their phone or their iPad, or they can view it on their computer. And it's the answer to, you know, I want digital images. So well, I'll give you digital images for social media, you've got this app that I'll create a custom app, you can share with whoever you want. In my photo app. You can share images directly from the app to Facebook, you can share them to Twitter, you can't do it directly to Instagram, you end up having to download it, but it's the answer to I want digital images while you can give them low res you know, possibly a logo or watermark images, not everybody does a watermark on it. I I even vary sometimes I do sometimes I don't. But it's it's the answer to that and it's a relatively inexpensive then you can have use, like Dan was talking about. You can use it as a landing page, you can use it for your price guide, there's so many different options for it. And it's like for the pro level, I think I'm paying $39 a month, something like that. But they also have a referral code in there if you if you have somebody refer to them they'll give you a month free or two months free or something like that. So there's there's a lot but to me it's it's well worth the price. It's definitely well worth the price. Very easy to use to
Dan Frievalt :it very easy and I've also used it to build apps for other companies. So you have several I think 10 or maybe it's 50 it's crazy amount of other brands that you can do with it. So I have my my free VA photography brand that my seniors unlock brand. I've done brands for realtors. I did a trade out here with someone who did some painting because I hate the paint as far as like walls and bathrooms and stuff that So the painter came and he painted and I, so I did, I traded out into the app for him. So he's showing before and after images, as as well as just links. And he doesn't have a website. He's a painter. He's a one man show. He's a painter. So I'm like, you can have a web presence, you just buy the domain. So he bought his domain, I have it linked to my photo app. He's got his before and after images, he can, he can text this app to other people. When he does a quote, he can put it on there. And like I said, it's the same. You can do this for restaurants. You can, you can have a whole nother side hustle, just selling apps for other businesses, using your skills as a photographer, and putting these apps together and you can do a monthly you know, can offset your monthly fee you can actually make money on it.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, great idea.
Dan Frievalt :I've done it for I've done some charity work for we used to do an actually I was one of the celebrities dancing with our stars. Yeah,
Michael Mowbray :I remember Remember that? Didn't you pull a hamstring doing it? Yeah,
Dan Frievalt :I pulled something. If the only reason I was the celebrity is because I was a photographer and I had done these photos and one person hit it back out, so they needed something to fill in. So I'm like, I'll do it. Yeah.
Michael Mowbray :Damn. The
Unknown Speaker :costume I beer I got this
Unknown Speaker :set aside, Derek how I got this.
Dan Frievalt :But it's, uh, yeah, it was a charity event for the American Red Cross. So we raised like, a ton of money. And how that worked is they had a web, they had a website, and we did all the headshots, and then we did the poster and we promoted it, and each vote you as $1 for a vote. So before the event, you would you would vote for it, and the person who had the most votes would win. So that was kind of that way. And I created the app where everyone could share the app and then when they clicked on their photo and take them to their, to the website because you could put any link in there and they could actually vote for them. Yeah. And it had the whole branding for American Red Cross and the voting and I had the poster. It was great marketing for me, because then the day of the event, they had images, all my images going up on the large screen, and then they through the app up there and yeah, it was just, yeah, it was so many cool things. You could do the same thing for realtors. You can have homes that are high end homes that you either do the photography for the drone footage for and they send that out as an app. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :So do you really just have to dance? Wait a minute, I lost it here.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, we're all right. Yes, celebrity realtor dancing for homes, I believe.
Dan Frievalt :they donate to the Red Cross, and it's free if they can Tango with me.
Unknown Speaker :Are they cha cha?
Unknown Speaker :You are beautiful. You are like a fire that is for from the earth and is exploding on this stage.
Michael Mowbray :What is that? That's
Dan Frievalt :I that was that one judge I don't know. Same
Carl Caylor :point guy.
Michael Mowbray :I thought it was gonna be from a movie or something. All right. So we've got we've got we're running long this week, but that's good. Again, we got a lot of good stuff here. Um, real quick. Any other things that people should look at? I'm gonna throw a couple out here. Real quick. I'm not going to go into detail like Dan. Topaz, Topaz is something I use a fair amount. They have a lot of different software. I do not use re mask. As one of those things that you could do for extraction. I couldn't ever a lot of people whereby I could never get it to work for me. I ended up using what was Spencer's
Unknown Speaker :exchange?
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, game changer. So you go to shirk photography COMM And you go to his professional stuff. You can download an action if you do any green screen stuff. It's the one I swear by. It's the one Dan swears by. I don't know, Carl, do you use it to do yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, it's 150 bucks, something like that. Oh my god, I have made so much money using that. Yeah, it's quick. And then the only other one I was gonna bring up was Camtasia. So if you're doing any screen recording, and doing any training, if you're doing advanced screen recording Camtasia is great software for that. If you're doing very simple screen recording Snagit
Dan Frievalt :Snagit Yeah, hey, or I found a Mac ScreenFlow
Carl Caylor :ScreenFlow, snap pro xe
Dan Frievalt :all those do very similar things. But all of works. I want to throw out like Animoto, which is, oh yeah, it's not really a plugin but for slideshows and video and marketing like it's so easy you drop your images in. And that's what I'm going to use for these testimonials I talked about earlier as I just have my seniors giving me a quick, two minute little testimonials. They're just recorded on their phone. And I'm going to add text and in use that video and show their images in and it's set to music. It's royalty. I mean, for the royalty free music alone. It's worth alone. It's worth it. Right. It's like 250 bucks a year. Some
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. Big 249. Yeah, yeah.
Dan Frievalt :And again, it's another one of those incentive items. It's like a $2,000 order. They get the slideshow in there, which I keep trying to think of a better name that slideshow.
Carl Caylor :But the cinema experience.
Unknown Speaker :Yes.
Carl Caylor :Yeah. Senior cinematic experience. There you go. Right. That
Michael Mowbray :cinematic session retrospective.
Carl Caylor :I can't even say that. I'm
Unknown Speaker :Senior
Unknown Speaker :slideshow. By the
Michael Mowbray :way, if you've made it this far, I think we're all pretty much Blotto by now. I think we
Carl Caylor :have to have ice cubes next time. So back to the ice cubes.
Michael Mowbray :Any, any last? Any last thoughts on software and apps? I mean, we didn't really get into a lot of phone apps, but there's a lot of them out there. From like making your images square to put them on Instagram and all that kind of stuff. Any other thoughts, guys? Otherwise, we'll wrap it up with our sponsor. There's this thing called Photoshop. It works pretty good too. We'll just leave Oh, you know what, I was actually gonna bring that up. You know what? Beyond Photoshop. So if you've got the Creative Cloud subscription, a lot of times people just think Photoshop and Lightroom but I've got the whole dang thing. So I'm using premiere and I'm using our podcast is mixed in audition. I use Adobe Stock. So I actually all the promo images for the podcast are Adobe Stock. And I use that for composite images as well too. And Adobe Spark is something you know, we were talking about Fundy being good for doing like little promotional things. Adobe Spark works really well for that as well. So if you're doing a little, little lay flat, little collages, little ads, Adobe Spark is a great little app that you use on your computer and actually, you can use on your phone as well, to create little promotional pieces. So they've got a lot of other stuff too. Illustrator, InDesign, all that kind of stuff. I guess that's,
Dan Frievalt :that's all I gotta say about that.
Michael Mowbray :That's all I got to say about that. So, the
Dan Frievalt :apps are like a box of chocolates.
Michael Mowbray :So they cost you $1 99 a month and you don't know what the hell you got. Anyway, so this episode has been brought to you by pizza beer. It's not just pizza with the beer. It's pizza beer, like, in your dreams. brewed in Chicago? Of course. Pizza beer. Yeah. Beer that tastes like pizza. Hmm. Or you could just get a pizza and you could get a beer and just call good. That's all I got. So until next time, cheers to you.
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