This is a magical episode where we took all of the random topics that didn't merit an entire episode and blended them all into one melange of tasty torpitude. Michael kicks things off with a rant about studio names and things go downhill (in a good way) from there. Carl laments that he thinks he's going blind from...lack of fishing, which prompts Dan to declare that he's "never been too drunk to drink". Along the way you'll learn about such fascinating colors as aubergine and chartreuse, and how to find out if a clam is happy.
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This is a magical episode where we took all of the random topics that didn't merit an entire episode and blended them all into one melange of tasty torpitude. Michael kicks things off with a rant about studio names and things go downhill (in a good way) from there. Carl laments that he thinks he's going blind from...lack of fishing, which prompts Dan to declare that he's "never been too drunk to drink". Along the way you'll learn about such fascinating colors as aubergine and chartreuse, and how to find out if a clam is happy.
Informative and entertaining, grab your favorite beverage and press "play". And don't forget to subscribe!
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Michael Mowbray, M. Photog., Cr., owns Beautiful Portraits by Michael in DeForest (Madison) Wisconsin and also owns MoLight. Learn more at:
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www.gomolight.com
Dan Frievalt, M.Photog., M. Artist, Cr., owns Frievalt Photography in DePere (Green Bay) Wisconsin and also runs Seniors Unlocked. Learn more at
www.frievaltphotography.com
store.seniorsunlocked.com
Carl Caylor, M. Photog., Cr., ASP-Fellow, Kodak Alaris Mentor, owns Photo Images by Carl in Iron Mountain, Michigan and also runs Carl's Coaching Corner. Learn more at:
www.photoimagesbycarl.net
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Recorded live from a kegger party in a cornfield. Hey, who wants to do a keg stand? It's the photo happy hour podcast. Hey, and welcome everybody. I'm your photo happy hour bartender Michael Mowbray Today I'm serving up a slow gin, fizzy of photography wonder, huh? Tasty. I'm joined by my fellow bartenders, Dan Frievalt and Carl Caylor. Say Hey guys.
Carl Caylor :Hey guys. Hey, what's up?
Michael Mowbray :What are you guys drinking?
Carl Caylor :adult beverage
Dan Frievalt :adult beverage. I switch to a Chardonnay.
Michael Mowbray :That's a sharp switch. Okay, Chardonnay, for those of you who can't see this at home, Dan's broadcasting from a dark closet. He looks like the unabomber. It's so working out his manifesto in a Montana shed.
Carl Caylor :Very split light. I might add, but
Dan Frievalt :yeah, just see my teeth
Unknown Speaker :you look thinner.
Dan Frievalt :like wearing black, I'm just gonna walk around at night.
Carl Caylor :There you go, look.
Dan Frievalt :I know not only look thinner, I look better because you can't see me. Just like in the bar at 3am or 2am. or whenever that closes. I don't remember. The only way to make it better is put a mask on.
Carl Caylor :I can do that. There we go. We now are mandatory that we have to do that Michigan. Now.
Michael Mowbray :We're getting close. So is your open
Carl Caylor :$500 fine. Crazy. If you're Oh, yep, no mask, no service and supposed to report you as a business.
Michael Mowbray :Here in Dane County, what's required? I don't know what the fine is. It's not that much. But yeah, they're required here too.
Dan Frievalt :So what's crazy what's the protocol if you're just wearing a mask And nothing else is there any kind of fine there is no defined it's
Carl Caylor :not a bad idea no publicity is there's no such thing as bad publicity right to beat so
Michael Mowbray :I don't know what else to do in your own selfie Beauvoir? I don't think so. I saw I saw an article today. I swear it was because of the masks. It said. Eyes are even more important now that you have to wear a mask. Here are five easy makeup tips to make your eyes really pop.
Carl Caylor :Unless you wear the right color mask. It's a good starter. True. True. Oh my goodness,
Michael Mowbray :I wear a red mask of red badger mask and match my bloodshot eyes. Anyway, in case you're joining us for the first time, I'm sorry. Guys, apologize. So the the premise of this podcast is we are three professional photographers who have been around for Oh long long time and we We get together and we drink. And we talk about photography. And if you couldn't tell that we're drinking again, I'm sorry. That should have been apparent by now. So we get together we have drinks, we talk about things. And today's topic is, there is no topic.
Unknown Speaker :What
Michael Mowbray :Mind blown. Now we're just, this is kind of like the cornucopia, the kaleidoscope, the, the trash bin of ideas that we didn't feel were good enough for an entire podcast, we're just going to be throwing them out there. And we're going to, we're going to stitch them together like this beautiful quilt of photography, wisdom. And that being said, one of you guys go first,
Carl Caylor :it's like one of those drawers in the studio, or even in the house or in the garage. It's has that one drawer that has all kinds of crap. And you know, you expect you're gonna use it again, but you end up buying something that you need right now and then you find that in the same drawer A week later. It's like, we all have it.
Dan Frievalt :That's what this episode is Wanna see? More More like the Seinfeld? Seinfeld of podcasts? It's a show about nothing.
Michael Mowbray :Nothing bad. That's a
Dan Frievalt :show isn't a topic.
Carl Caylor :It was also a reference. It was also referenced. So we need to
Michael Mowbray :if there's a pop culture reference, you have to drink if we do math, you have to drink. Because remember when the shutdown first started back in March, I, I cleaned out our junk drawer and I found it right I remember I found cell phones that predated blackberries and even predated I think I found a star tech
Carl Caylor :seven bag phone number those
Michael Mowbray :Yes, yeah, that wouldn't fit in the drawer.
Carl Caylor :Again, you're right.
Dan Frievalt :I had seen once a photographer did a whole like art series, where he went to people's homes and photograph that junk drawer and it was very interesting. Yeah, because everyone has one like you said, yeah. And everyone has this mishmash in their unique. They're like a beautiful snowflake. Your junk drawer is unique is a beautiful snowflake.
Michael Mowbray :You know who I think has a big ass junk drawer? Marie Kondo. Marie Kondo. She's been lying. She's like, Oh, yeah. Only if it makes you happy you keep it. She'd been throwing everything in a big ass junk drawer in her house. I guarantee it.
Dan Frievalt :Oh, I didn't know who. So that's the girl on Netflix who talks about getting organized and
Michael Mowbray :yes, yes. Okay. Pop Culture I didn't catch. Yes, Marie Kondo.
Carl Caylor :Hey, I'm gonna do the cat. I needed a bigger glass this week.
Michael Mowbray :You know what? You guys are amateurs to bring the frickin bottle with you.
Carl Caylor :I need to bring the bottle and more ice. I'm out of my rocks. So after was at last week's episode or a couple weeks ago, we notice that Michael is actually Using this granite rock, yeah, and it occurred to my brain that we live in Iron Mountain Michigan on granite bluff. It's in the mountain range that's kind of buried because of the you know, the old ice that used to be here a long time ago when the mammas and stuff walked around here and we're full of granite I mean it's all over the yard so going out in the yard picking up stones I put in my freezer. Yeah, it works. I was laughing the entire entire time thinking Michael bought these.
Michael Mowbray :No, it was a gift for my children. Oh.
Unknown Speaker :Somebody I bought them for
Michael Mowbray :you. But it just occurred to me that is where on the rocks came from. Like that's
Unknown Speaker :what I was wondering.
Michael Mowbray :Like literally use cold rocks back in the day. Hmm. I don't is I gotta look that up. Because I wonder if that's what really where it came from.
Carl Caylor :In case in case it is fact that's that is a reference. So okay, I got
Michael Mowbray :I got a topic. Quick, quick little go. Like there's no way we can make this a whole a whole episode either. And this is just me and see if you guys agree. I have a weird pet peeve about studio names.
Carl Caylor :Oh, is it like NFL names? I mean like you know like
Michael Mowbray :the former the former Washington team you mean that one? Yeah that one. Yeah. No I in this is a no somebody's gonna call me a boomer and I'm not a boomer. I'm not quite old enough for that. Believe it or not. Or an old fuddy duddy but i just i get off
Dan Frievalt :my lawn that's
Michael Mowbray :good shooting on my lawn. You never cared for what No, I'm sorry. The studio names were and I'm gonna I'm gonna we're gonna lose 20% of our listenership. I'm sorry, but studio name towards random color random, random animal, like orange. You know or guerrilla photography Yes, don't regresses I was going to create a web generator for for picking studio names is going to be like random colors. And then random animals just put them together. It's chartreuse sea lion.
Carl Caylor :obres gene. Yeah, anteater got it. All right. Yeah, it's good stuff.
Michael Mowbray :Ooh, that will get you first in the phone book, which nobody uses anymore. But anyway,
Carl Caylor :the Yellow Pages. What if the yellow pages are actually blue? Hmm. I mean, I've seen blue ads and the Yellow Pages because you know, kind of stands out. But I mean, if it was all blue, then we'd have to use yellow and say be the green apple. Or I can remember seeing green up or the red apple, the gram of red.
Dan Frievalt :It's the red apple. Because that's the only stock image
Michael Mowbray :stock image you could find.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah.
Dan Frievalt :Because Yeah, It's B, the red apple, because it just sounded nicer. But more more people associate Apple as being red. So actually the green apple probably would have been better, but
Michael Mowbray :yeah, stands out more.
Dan Frievalt :When I was putting the program together, I had to use a stock image. And that's, that's what I could find in the red apple just seem to roll off the tongue better. So I go back to what you said, Michael. I go back and forth on that because it at least those names do stand out. But they do seem you know, some of them are real good. Some of them are kind of, you know, that it went through a phase and that's the thing with photographers, everyone kind of goes through these phases and these trends and you know, and my name isn't, you know, very fast. It's getting darker in here.
Carl Caylor :Like disappearing.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah. disappear. I just looked like my goodness. You know, you even mine. It's just my last name freeball photography, but it's Which I hated using. I didn't want to do it. But it became out of necessity just because I started over and people knew me. So I use my name, which, you know, even I can't even like people like, Is it free vaulter private? Like, you know, it's like I don't ever I, I've changed it. Oh, yeah, no. And so you know, and people are like, Well, how do you pronounce it? You know, I could have picked the easier name but at the time, it helped associate me with my photography, which I, I needed to do. So.
Michael Mowbray :Just Just tell them spend $3,000 and you can name my business, you can decide whether it's free vault or five volt. And then you just do that for every client. It's done last week,
Dan Frievalt :right? Well, even selling naming rights, selling name rights. Even Arnold Schwarzenegger was you know, told you have to change your name when he got into acting. Right? Like no one's gonna remember. Swartz on agar, you know, and he's proud of my name, you know? And it's like, yeah, I guess you just have to be good enough that it is memorable. And it stands out in the long run, you know, sometimes being kind of difficult, helps it become memorable.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, I agree with that what I've what I've seen because I think there's a whole rash of them that came out with a lot of studios starting in the pre the pre teens, like the 2008 to 2010 era just seemed like they all popped up. And there was everybody was that so then it became to me, kind of just a fog of just random names. So you get lost in the fog of random names. And then it's like, Okay, well, Who should we go to? I don't know it was the blue banana or the red Snapdragon or the, or, or how about we go to Michael, you know what I mean? Because then it was a associated with with a particular photographer and what's a particular particular look in the studio and you could tie it all together. So I can see
Carl Caylor :likes it everybody likes it so Right,
Michael Mowbray :right. And I was he pretty much the exact ages that kid have that in the commercial back when that commercial first came out. And I've had to live with that for 50 freakin years. So thank you for bringing that up.
Carl Caylor :You're welcome.
Michael Mowbray :I'm gonna have a drink.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, there's a little bit of light. Hey,
Carl Caylor :Dan's back.
Michael Mowbray :A little bit of light. I like to think of Mikey from the life commercial as being an angry middle aged white man now.
Carl Caylor :He's the one saying get off my lawn.
Unknown Speaker :Exactly.
Unknown Speaker :Next stop. So
Carl Caylor :other next topic. Next, Dan, you had a topic.
Dan Frievalt :Last Man, I enlighten us. Now that you can see me a little bit better, yeah, you might, that's my topic was just about emulation. I mean, we, we kind of talked about it with the last podcast with marketing, how we look at other big brand companies and kind of emulate them and use some of their marketing tactics in order to help our business. And in photography, again, with the names like Michael said, you know, it might have been unique when the first few people started combining these names, but after a while, it becomes a blur. You know, it's similar with the logos that you know, like this tangent every logo had to have this scripty look to it. In fact, you can similar like, likely you're saying about a general name generator, there's these overlays, you know, overlays, but like, all these logo scripts, you can buy, they all they all kind of look the same. So you start to lose some of that uniqueness and So as as a photographer, as you first start out, you emulate someone, you could see a copy in someone. But then you kind of need to learn your own style or after you emulate and pull different styles from all different people, you start to then magically develop your own style. So I kind of wanted to talk a little bit about that, because I think each one of us has a particular style. And I know, for me, for instance, a long time I wanted, I felt like I needed to create a style and people like oh my gosh, I can tell you a work right away. You have a style and I never really thought I did have a style. So that that was kind of interesting.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, I totally agree. Dan. One of the photographer's that I kind of emulated there for a while when I was trying to develop my own kind of more dramatic, unique wedding style was Jerry I can never pronounce his last name Jerry Gianni, you know, yes. Yeah. But Yana So Giovanni or guy? Yeah, exactly. Jerry G. And great photographer, and I took a lot of inspiration from him. And I actually bought one of those. He just issue like, almost like playing cards, but they had like all these posing ideas on there, and I'd look at him before a wedding, but I would use them as inspiration, I wouldn't go, Hey, I'm going to do card number 27. You know, I'd use it to kind of get the brain going and get it engaged in that kind of style. And then I would adapt whatever I was shooting that day and look for opportunities to do something like that. And then that helped, as you said, kind of helped me develop my own style from that. But it's it's a style that fit my eye is something that I liked and that's what I would recommend anybody who's trying to try to do any emulation and working on building their style. What do you like, you know, you can't be chasing over here or chase the butterfly over here and then chase the butterfly over there and chase him everywhere. Blue chasing butterflies is a studio name, by the way, as you can
Carl Caylor :guess, butterflies,
Michael Mowbray :chasing red butterflies.
Carl Caylor :You know, you kind of have to center on something and then grow your own thing from there and, you know, try to find work out there that's fits your eye and kind of thing you think you'd like to do. You know what, it's funny that you bring up style because style is one of the 12 elements that as a juror in print competition that we look at, in judging work that's been entered, and it's Oh, it's lately, in my opinion. It probably should even say it's a lot harder to get slapped for it, but it's to me it doesn't make sense to even judge it. Because style is something that is unique to each person and it has nothing to do with the image itself. It is what the that person evolved into. For example, You know, Darren Drake when he was around and Scotty dubara. They were mentors of mine. And I emulated them to a point that I was inspired by and it a lot of what I did was enhanced because of hanging around with them. Sure. And it wasn't that I was copying them. It was that it was a style that fit my personality that fit my mindset at the time. It was something that was comfortable for me to fall into. But now lately, to me, there's a woman out in Montana, I believe Kathy word. I believe I saw her name go. To me Is she is like one of the definitions of style. Her children's photography, I mean, we look at it. It's all a little bit different. So storytelling beyond belief, but I can tell it's hurt. Every single time just like Louise and Joseph simony, when their images pop up on social media, I know it's theirs. I know it is. And because they move, they morph themselves into a place in their art in their craft that is recognizable by others. And to me that shouldn't be, shouldn't be judged. It should be noticed, it should be recognized. It should be something that we all strive for. But it has nothing to do with each image individually. It's the images, the image of that person's the creator of that particular piece.
Michael Mowbray :It's a dangerous spot to and print competition when you think of it from that context, because you see simony image come up, you're looking Oh, first thing you think as a judge, you can't help it as a Simona image and you're like, Oh, I can't be thinking about that. I can't be thinking about it. It might not be just maybe it's not. Maybe that's Richard Sturdivant or Kathy wierda. Exactly.
Carl Caylor :It's Kimberly or Sandy. Oh, yeah. You know,
Dan Frievalt :yeah, that's the thing too with with someone like started sort of in for instance, who does a lot of teaching and a lot of people have emulated his style. So I'll see image come up and be like, gosh, that looks like a Sturtevant. But I'm not sure. And I'm not joking. So this is just me watching from from the sidelines. Well, then it's like, oh, how do you? You know, I you know, how do you not how do you judge it, but it's like, you know what I'm saying it's like, you have to have a preset conceived notions, but then when other people start to emulate a style that's so pronounced it, it can water down the original style, I can.
Carl Caylor :Absolutely. Well think about this even spin off a little bit. And because this is very similar, not style, but technique. For a while, remember when Topaz first came out?
Dan Frievalt :Wow, Lucius are loose loose on ours.
Carl Caylor :Yeah, seems the same kind of idea. And it's like, Wow, this is so new and then, and they scored really high like that first year and then the next year there was like 10 zillion of them. Yeah. And all of a sudden it got watered down and they didn't score nearly as well next year. It was like it you know, this is overwork this over process essay.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. So HDR thing is looking crazy. Yeah. Be careful. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :Yeah, or my favorite. Now the client Kaleidoscope things that were done on the app on your phone. You know, there has been some that were handmade. And it's impressive to say the least. Right? But the app is so good. That you just don't know
Dan Frievalt :Same thing with lusas. It's a press of the button as compared to a press silent or a Sturtevant painting, you know, or Sandra Peters painting, like at least your, you know, unless you use auto auto paint like, Yeah, I did say Michael is still upset about that one
Michael Mowbray :is good, but good. I do believe I gave you crap that year I was like, Oh, nice 92 on that push button banning push. But yeah, whatever score, you know,
Carl Caylor :you just that's just that, that you gotta know when to use the tools that we have given to us. You know, I mean, if like this just happened to be that we knew our craft and we knew our toolbox good enough that an opportunity came up and we said, Hey, I know a solution. I know a tool that's going to do this. If it made it easier for us. Who's to say that's wrong. That being said, there's more opportunity. There's no more success, consistent stantly if you can actually do it without the push of a button, if you could do it from scratch, if you could do it as an original piece, there is more consistent success in and out of print competition for that matter. So keep that in mind. I mean, there's a lot of fakes out there. And, you know, when there's a buyer that's willing to spend, you know, half a huge salary. They'll do it on original, but there'll be really ticked off if it turned out to be a fake. So just keep that in mind.
Dan Frievalt :Well, and just to be clear, I'm okay with people emulating other people's work or my own sometimes people, you know, with my overlays and stuff, they'll be like, well, I feel like I'm cheating. Well, I feel like my overlays and my templates are a base and you can do awful lot with them. You know, it's not like a preset or something that's defining your style. There's still a lot of work that Go into it. And I could make presets. And presets I think sell like crazy. But it's not something that I personally use a lot of nothing against it. But I don't think it helps you define your style. You know, maybe using presets in the beginning helps you find what your style is. And then you start to edit more in that style or you combine maybe presets from 10 different people. And now you're starting to take a little bit from each person and create your style. So I think we all have to start. When we start we all emulate and that's fine, but then start to really work on defining what you like and what really makes your heart sing. And then start to expand from there. I guess is my point with with the the topic
Michael Mowbray :or what makes you scream inside your heart. Do you guys see that? You know what I'm talking about? No, it sounds cool.
Dan Frievalt :Oh, I did see that. Yes, yeah,
Michael Mowbray :it was The roller coaster thing for the year. Yeah, it was it was an amusement park reopened in Japan I think was in Tokyo. And the they're asking that you when you go on the roller coaster that you stay quiet and stay calm and and not scream out loud because of COVID spread things like that. So the CEO asked everybody to instead scream inside their heart. Wow, is what I do on a daily basis anymore.
Carl Caylor :screaming in silence. Yeah,
Michael Mowbray :love it scream inside my heart. I didn't mean to ruin your really nice story. Sorry.
Dan Frievalt :No, that was poetic. It was it was correlated.
Carl Caylor :correlation. Nicely done.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, nice continuity. Yeah, like some sort of Gypsy Your longtime listener you got those jokes if you didn't, that's too bad. I'm not gonna explain them. Yeah,
Dan Frievalt :now we're ready to go back our own pop culture. That's right. That's a double Drink Drink Drink
Michael Mowbray :Speaking of which I'm drinking I'm actually drinking a blended scotch today. I always want single malt so I tried to blended but it's Johnnie Walker double black.
Carl Caylor :Wow like the label. It's pretty cool. It's pretty cool.
Michael Mowbray :I thought I'd give it a try. Double black such as black it's double black.
Unknown Speaker :Nice.
Carl Caylor :Anyway, well now we're back to the sea. So karma whiskey all season.
Dan Frievalt :I was talking about names and stuff as well. It's like have you seen the The Motley Crue Netflix movie,
Michael Mowbray :though you talks about like Mr. Woods called?
Dan Frievalt :Well, the book is called the dirt. But I don't remember if the Netflix series is called that or not. But yeah, it's funny because they're like, you know, you got to have a good name. Got to have a good name, you know, and the guitarist says, was it Rick, Rick Mars or Mike Mars or whatever. He kept bouncing from band to band. That's not a good name. That's not a good band will never make it because that's not a good name. And then finally, they came up with Motley Crue, he's like, yes. I think I'm gonna stick with this band. Right? Yes,
Carl Caylor :your work, you're talking about presets and instilling those and it got me thinking about the classes I teach and, and seminars and things like that. And, you know, it's not always the most popular thing, because we're not always doing exciting things. And I'm not trying to impress anybody ever. In my class. I'm trying to teach basics. So that they can learn how to fish on their own, so to speak, you know, I'm there to teach you how to do things on your own. So that when you leave, you have a toolbox now to use your own creativity to go off and succeed in this business in this industry. So I mean, I'd rather sell that to somebody then facil a preset, I'd rather teach somebody to feed themselves, so to speak, then than to press a button. Button pressing is great. And sometimes like I said, if it's your toolbox, and you can recognize that it would work for that. Fantastic but there comes a time that you got to know how to do the math. Math, we got to drink again, all Mary.
Michael Mowbray :See and yeah, and I just want everybody to to light everything either with a flash or an LED everything.
Dan Frievalt :A MoLight LED or Flash.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, I thought that was I mean that one without saying, you know? Yes,
Carl Caylor :yes.
Michael Mowbray :This episode Brought to you in part by MoLight
Carl Caylor :you need to start selling flashlights Miko because I wanted that was one of the things I wanted to do and if we actually have a physical class in Texas schools here that was gonna be our first assignment this year is to first night before introductions even everyone has to create a selfie using nothing but a flashlight. Oh, and I just wanted to see what people would come up with and then we're gonna do the same thing didn't know this but we're gonna do the same thing in the very last day and see how that changed. So you got to start selling flashlights and just say the mole flashlight the mole Well, it's kinda like flashing lights. You know flash mode flash when
Michael Mowbray :you do a flash mob mob with the flash mo I'm running out of mo products. I mean, I need to get mo products Actually, I need to get some of the products I've ordered to actually arrive. What was that? Oh my gosh, I have I have so many orders out there that just are in the process of transportation that the whole logistics system is still messed up across the world. It's It's nuts. Yeah, I can't get stuff in.
Unknown Speaker :So Oh, no, no, no.
Carl Caylor :On that note, and then what's the next topic of nothing? Oh, that
Dan Frievalt :thing? Oh, I was just gonna mention real quick. One of the workshops I always wanted to take and someday I will take it is Parker Pfister's? I was just gonna
Carl Caylor :say Parker Pfister?
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. He does. He's not really teaching photography. He's known as reaching into he wants to reach into your soul and pull out every creative possibility and do these exercises then You know, expand your creativity as much as possible and that guy is just, he's just a big teddy bear man. He's just a great person and super creative. super creative, you know, and I was shooting like all film and you know, he's just kind of got this big beard he's like living out of a van down by the river. Yeah, like yeah, you know, he's like, I mean
Carl Caylor :yeah, Michael we we listened to him. He did a podcast with another one of our friends that I can't remember who which podcast it was. But we listened to the wish app from imaging. Probably it might have been jets jets jets, probably. Yeah. Yeah. And if it was me, I mean, I've known Parker for a long time and, and, and, but I never knew that much about him. But it was well revealed. I thought it was pretty interesting. So a good creative, very, very much so very good, creative dog.
Michael Mowbray :That's a bits and pieces of hillmann programs over the years but never really got to know them. But I think it was a podcast that gave me better insight.
Dan Frievalt :And, and, and one thing I like to do personally as often as possible, as do creative shoots, I think we talked about this before just where there's no money exchanged, you know, it might be something in something completely different than seniors, like, I have a friend who does body painting. So a girl will come in body paint will do these weird props in a haunted house and total like, totally off of completely something different than I normally would never do. And it's weird how something like that can spark your creativity that has nothing to do with senior photography, but the next senior session I'm doing for some reason. I like have these creative ideas that have nothing to do with that. Sure. It just triggers something in your brain. And it's amazing. And another thing I like to do is when I get all the safe shots It's like, Okay, let's try something that normally would never do is maybe putting a light in a weird area, it's a weird pose, it's like stand behind this fence and look, you know, turn the camera upside down, like, who knows what, and 90% of it is a fail. But you know that 10% is golden. Now I have something that I can kind of repeat. Because that because I went through that process. And through the years, all of a sudden, a lot of those weirdness poses and techniques of work their way into my normal photo session.
Michael Mowbray :And for me, sometimes that's just throw a different lens on. You know, if you're always out there with an 85 or 135 or 70 to 200. I used to, I used to use this to break out a ruts like at weddings and whatnot. I would throw on a fisheye for a little bit. And during like the portrait of the portrait sessions on location, I'd be shooting demos with a 15 millimeter fisheye and I'm merited some of those imprint competition.
Dan Frievalt :So your give your lens baby lens baby to the Geller boys and let them go nuts. Yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Was it that you
Michael Mowbray :know what that was? Oh man, I don't remember what it was it could have been.
Unknown Speaker :It might might have been Paul on he had that following Mitch. That sounds
Carl Caylor :that sounds about right. I could
Dan Frievalt :have a shot the whole wedding with the Lensbaby lens baby.
Michael Mowbray :It wasn't me. No, it wasn't me that. Okay,
Carl Caylor :we we did that at West Coast school in California, San Diego several years ago. Lensbaby was one of the they had a vendor booth there and they're they're going to sponsor an evening. So we went down to the gas Light District. And we're going to photograph just obscure stuff downtown at night, but you can only use Lensbaby Oh my gosh, we came up with some wild stuff, you know, trolley cars and streetlights and people outside and inside a bar and it was just the whole night to see magical you know, I mean, I remember I was I climbed a tree I caught my palm trees and you know just shooting up the stupid thing so you get a bit taller Eva's I'm not that tall. You know, I mean, I'm not sure if you guys knew that or not, but so I wanted to get it. You know, I want to be tall like when I grow up, you look
Dan Frievalt :taller. You look taller in this podcast.
Michael Mowbray :You do. Say that?
Carl Caylor :Yeah. I appreciate that. Actually. It's because I was drinking whiskey. It made me feel taller.
Dan Frievalt :10 feet tall and bulletproof. 10 feet tall and
Carl Caylor :somewhat bulletproof. But yeah, I mean, it was it was a blast. You know, it was a lot of fun. And we got some really cool images. But it's a great idea. I mean, maybe I should go back I think I wonder if that I wonder if it would fit in by Sony somehow if I could find it adapter or maybe on here somewhere or maybe
Michael Mowbray :I think I've got one floating around somewhere not sure where and that's
Dan Frievalt :the cool that's the cool thing with Sony that I've toyed with quite a bit as you can pull these old lenses is manual focus Germany engineered point to F stop yeah whatever weird you know lenses and shoot with them that you know and now they even have someone else I think I just saw maybe like six months ago where they have another adapter where it will autofocus a manual lens.
Unknown Speaker :No way.
Dan Frievalt :Yeah, and you're good. Yeah, that's I was trying to think how that worked. But it it moves forward and back and somehow they've someone's created this third party adapter where it would even autofocus. So
Carl Caylor :see there's an app for that there's an app for everything. There's not that
Dan Frievalt :Oh, and one other thing. I just want to clarify. Is the body painting girls I was talking about those were not high school seniors. I don't think I mentioned that but yes, I want to clarify that they were senior citizens. They're 25 years old. Oh,
Carl Caylor :yeah, that's no no no.
Dan Frievalt :Yes, you know
Michael Mowbray :and just you're making but
Unknown Speaker :oh and why?
Carl Caylor :So how about the Redskins? I mean you can't say I'm gonna call himself No.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, I heard Nate what they had to do they have to see if they get the trademark on it. So one of the names are looking at was warriors. I'm like, well, that's not that much different and either a lot of other warrior teams. So good luck with that. You know, he's, they always call Washington the big swamp so they should call it the Washington swamp monsters or something. That's probably trade politicians.
Carl Caylor :sessions. Yeah, I mean think about it you want you you want a team name that is evokes like fear in everybody. The filibuster the IRS
Michael Mowbray :audits
Carl Caylor :everywhere was run in fear. I mean think about this. That's right. What color would it be black no is like a hooded, hooded like the sickle they could have like like the Grim Reaper look to them or something be their mascot, the Reapers. Ooh,
Michael Mowbray :that's actually not a bad name the Reapers.
Carl Caylor :I mean, you know, the Raiders. The Raiders are kinda like that. I mean, they dress like that, anyhow. I mean, they're like, yep, yeah, but I mean, look at some of the fans in the stands. I mean, they got spiky stuff, Ricky.
Michael Mowbray :They're freaky. Not that the backer fans are aren't freaky wearing our cheese, frozen tundra hats. And St. Vincent
Unknown Speaker :and
Dan Frievalt :babes with no shirts on. Yeah,
Carl Caylor :yes. It's 10 below in January when it's, you know, one outside.
Unknown Speaker :Wow. But hey, guess Hey, they stand out. They're different they get on TV they get on TV all the time. Like, it depends over those idiots over there. So
Carl Caylor :you know, I was just thinking about that is there's I mean, how many repeats and colors are there in the NFL? There's no other green and gold down is I mean, is there any nor should there be green? Nor should there be but I mean, like there's repeats I mean, there's orange and orange and there's orange and a lot of teams
Michael Mowbray :do well, you know The MC central you get the bears that are Navy dark navy blue and orange. Nothing else like that. You got the lions which are Hawaiian blue and silver and the the Vikings that are. I don't know who cares.
Carl Caylor :Green and Gold. It sounds less manly if we say that the Vikings are average gene, isn't it? I mean, Hubbard Hubbard gene, and color is average gene.
Michael Mowbray :I was assuming orange is purple. Okay, now it's like a purplish color chartreuse, huh?
Carl Caylor :It's more pinkish green slash magenta green.
Michael Mowbray :Like a very yellow, green,
Dan Frievalt :yellow and green. It doesn't photograph well. But it's great for muskie fishing.
Unknown Speaker :Oh, there you go.
Michael Mowbray :You have to wear it. I'm not quite following.
Carl Caylor :Yeah, we need to go muskie fishing. I have not finished yet this year and I could go blind pretty soon. Going through withdrawals.
Dan Frievalt :Okay, I'm glad you clarified that. Yeah. Like,
Michael Mowbray :what do you what are you choosing to do other than fish? Well, I can't fish today So
Carl Caylor :instead, you
Michael Mowbray :know, I gotta go slap cement. It's terrible.
Carl Caylor :Yeah. We can drink while we're fishing. We don't need to use that as an excuse to not go fishing. You know, actually funny story about that. So you don't remember that commercial? I think there's a commercial way this is years ago, but it was like, were you ever too drunk to fish? I think it was on the blue collar comedy club or something? Maybe but have you ever been too drunk to fish?
Michael Mowbray :Well, never.
Carl Caylor :So never. Actually, yes. But that's, that was a dangerous situation. It was probably best that we were not in a boat at the time. But anyway, we were at a bar. We were Fishing all morning we went to this bar restaurant thing whatever we're going to get a burger to for lunch and head back out in the evening and we ended up starting to play pool and ended up being there a lot longer than we had anticipated and these other people came in and decided that they wanted pool table so you know, but they put two quarters up and they start playing the next game and things got a little bit heated in a younger brother who at times says things without thinking. He actually told them I think you're too drunk to play pool I think you're too drunk to fish. I think you're too drunk just to be human. It was like both things gotten both hands ready like hit baseball bats on people's heads and stuff and it was a good time to you know, be leaving, but yeah, never be never be too drunk to fish. That's that's always a bad thing. So do we gotta go fishing or these days because fishing is a good thing. place to learn how to light things. I haven't been fishing since a captain collided on sushi before we don't Texas. Yeah, but that wasn't a day.
Dan Frievalt :Hey, this is what we have to do we have to go fishing. Yeah and record.
Carl Caylor :Ooh, the podcast.
Dan Frievalt :From the boat. Yes. Live from the boat
Unknown Speaker :like it.
Dan Frievalt :Yes. Yes. Maybe not live because who knows internet wise but we can make sure we can definitely record. Yes. So
Carl Caylor :I sent it up with Captain Dave. Captain Dave kept it
Dan Frievalt :nice. Yeah, this is a good color when fishing especially murky waters.
Michael Mowbray :wondering when we're gonna circle back around to that old thing. I certainly I
Dan Frievalt :brought it back. I brought it up. I have no
Carl Caylor :I've really had
Dan Frievalt :to drill it in. Really, really see what you did there. Yeah.
Carl Caylor :Yeah,
Dan Frievalt :I've not been too drunk to drink but I have been to jail.
Carl Caylor :I have been
Dan Frievalt :to dry 30 days
Carl Caylor :to dry. Terrible.
Dan Frievalt :I've had to hand over the fish. Yes. Yeah, that's true that that has happened but I still went out on a boat. It wasn't good. And I didn't fish. But I did. I did throw up over the side of the boat.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. So he no new top. Yeah. We Yeah, canon just announced two new mirrorless cameras that finally are kind of, yes. Bringing them up close to being on par with what Sony's had for I don't know how many years now, is we all used to be canon shooters, and now we're on Nikon. Oh my god I was. So Nika. Now we're all Sony shooters. So can we find these caught up?
Unknown Speaker :Well About Nikon, Nikon,
Michael Mowbray :I told this to somebody today I said I don't know if Nikon is going to be here in five years. Olympus just pretty much gotten while they just got bought by an investor group but they could be gone. That's not a surprise. You know what?
Carl Caylor :That's a that's that's a really good topic because I mean think about this in the photography world. Nikon is like an icon note no pun intended, but I mean, it's, it's like part of our culture. And
Michael Mowbray :they could very easily just disappear off the face of our industry. Because one they're not keeping up to they're not doing anything different. They're not doing anything new. They're not marketing like everybody else. They're not taking care of the people who are current customers. That's one thing I hear from from the like a lot of the Nikon shooters, you know, we always had canon, CPS canon professional services. You know, we have Nikon it was hard for people to get into the Nikon professional service canon you just had to show that you owned a certain level of professional gear so many boundaries so many lenses you pay your annual fee you're in there and they took really good care of you. I felt like CPS took good care of me. I don't know any of my Nikon friends who really felt really good about their professional services.
Carl Caylor :Not at all under I didn't see I've never seen a rockin version from Nikon's. That was actually Nikon's that worked any better than third party? I mean, right. If you're a Nikon photographer, I'm like, use Lightroom because there's nothing from Nikon that's worthwhile beyond whereas canon had their own software.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah, well, they're a much bigger company too. That's the whole thing is canon. You know, the Canon doesn't even have to make a profit on their photography division. I mean, I'm sure as a company they want to but they have photography, right? Right. They've got enough other irons, iron In the fire that they can, they can take a loss there and use it for product development that they can. They can filter on down to future consumer versions. Sony can do the same thing. Nikon, they're not that big of a company. They make binoculars they make other optics. What else? Are they supposed scopes?
Dan Frievalt :rifle scopes? Yeah, say scopes and binoculars. Yeah.
Michael Mowbray :Yeah. But they don't have a, I don't know, a huge consumer electronics division, you know, they don't have a huge office product division, like the other company printers and scanners and yeah, so it's since the big is the beginning of the end. I don't think it would be good for the industry. I know competition helps the industry and if Nikon came out with something that was really kick ass and on par with Sony and canon, I think that's nothing but good for the industry. But don't write from a from a product vendor standpoint. I just said Do not have to stock product for all these different brands. Awesome. That's more inventory I gotta carry. I'd be just super. I'd be happy as a clam. Looking for that chartreuse bait on the clams don't take bait, but you know, work with me here. If I could just carry canon in Sony products. I didn't have to carry Olympus. And yeah, do the math on that.
Carl Caylor :How do you know if a clam is happy or not? i? I'm starting to wonder. I mean, you look at him, do they smile? I mean, how do you know if a claim is happy or not happy? depends on which way you hold them when you pick them up. Quarterback just
Unknown Speaker :said turn upside down. Happy.
Carl Caylor :Turn, turn that frown upside down. I get it. Okay. All right. Now we know.
Michael Mowbray :Again, another folks there you go. Like this And thrown off the air by the FCC. It's about guests was first amendment rights we can say whatever the hell we want. I can say hell no you did.
Dan Frievalt :I did. Twice you did you rebel. Probably right up the escalator without holding on either. Now Do I have to? Yeah,
Michael Mowbray :you're right. I've done that. Stand there with your hands on your hips like Superman.
Carl Caylor :Hey, speaking of being too drunk to fish, we actually can add a little convention as well. Or escalators. escalators tried to run down. This is an outdoor area from remember I think we were in San Antonio maybe I don't remember but we were upper level restaurant and they open courtyard area. The escalator is going up and down from from the lower courtyard on the upper restaurants. We decided after having a whole bunch of margaritas to run down the up escalator. If you ever tried that, oh my gosh,
Michael Mowbray :it's harder. This was out last year two years ago. Yeah. And I were in Iowa worked out very well. I just like after a while I just wrote it back up to the top. Maybe it might have been a little drunk. And you know,
Carl Caylor :this been there been there's why
Dan Frievalt :people? Yes. So many people are gonna just do these conventions, you know, wanna just be in person conventions, you know, it's gonna be the first
Carl Caylor :to this pen. Oh, man. Yeah.
Dan Frievalt :I had one after dark. I try to do try to do a photoshoot on escalator escalator.
Carl Caylor :Good job. I
Dan Frievalt :can't say that word either. Yes, but yeah, it was more like we were that the concept was is like if I would drag the shutter and we'd photograph as we're going down, get everything kind of moving, but the subject would necessarily would be in the same kind of spot and I would be in the same spot so
Michael Mowbray :kinda like reverse panning is kind of your move. Yeah, nothing else is in
Dan Frievalt :the zoom as you like, move in, you know, in movies. Oh, yeah. It kind of
Carl Caylor :says ball. You know that one? Yeah. So me Got it. Yeah. Yeah, I never realized it because we tried that ones too. And I never realized how much you actually vibrate on an escalator. Because, you know, you think you're like saying the same distance but there's so much camera shake. Yeah, Burbank, Kenai. We're doing that in Las Vegas. We had a group all in at night. After Dark, and I wind up on those escalators out for the walk.
Unknown Speaker :Yeah, you guys
Carl Caylor :are Yeah, yeah. And we're like, holy crap. I don't realize how much these things shake. No. Yeah.
Michael Mowbray :The other one also had valleys of moving walk. Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Speaker :Right. Yep.
Michael Mowbray :I think it was also there was a Muslim walk. You guys say that already? Yeah.
Carl Caylor :With the tunnel. And they change colors and stuff. Yeah. I'm gonna blow bubbles my whiskey now just as to saying
Dan Frievalt :I might have my drink is empty.
Michael Mowbray :Well, I think we're out of topics too. So should we wrap it? parting shots.
Carl Caylor :parting shots. Be creative.
Dan Frievalt :Be creative. Don't be unique. do things different, but
Unknown Speaker :change your studio name.
Dan Frievalt :Okay, gonna be late. I have it right now. If you want to change your studio name, go to your junk drawer.
Unknown Speaker :Open it up
Dan Frievalt :blindfolded preferably with a chartreuse pen bandana over your eyes. Hello to random items. That's the name of your studio.
Carl Caylor :No, no, I just one while drinking while drinking but instead of two items, all your junk drawer grab one of your junk drawer blindfolded with it with a chartreuse bandana. Okay, and but then who do you tackle box. Maybe you don't want to wear a blindfold for this
Unknown Speaker :first thing that hooks your finger.
Carl Caylor :Pull that out. And then color the lure and whenever you pull the trigger that can be you name. There you go. See what we tie all this stuff together in this podcast. We're like just like wrapping up at the end. Perfect. That's such a shot.
Michael Mowbray :It's as if we hit a
Dan Frievalt :ball on it, baby.
Carl Caylor :It's like whop It was. It was
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Unknown Speaker :Cheers. Last call.
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